Don't talk about refugees, but with. In De Trek, correspondent Bram Vermeulen travels across the African continent to speak with the protagonists who rarely speak in our debate on migration. People smugglers, drowning people, deportees and African haters of foreigners. Answers are sought to questions such as: is migration the problem or the solution? Can you love a people smuggler? What happens to migrants after they have been deported from the Netherlands? And does Africa also have anti-foreigner populists such as Donald Trump or Geert Wilders?